"Nibbles" (nibbles) 10/03/2013 at 12:16 • Filed to: Ghostride the blip

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Just checked my local exchange for health insurance rates. They're all more expensive than previous out-of-pocket insurances I had found. Catastrophic by itself is more than I pay currently for what amounts to pretty decent coverange. Ugh.

ncasolowork2 > Nibbles 10/03/2013 at 12:19

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no comment

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Nibbles 10/03/2013 at 12:22

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Welcome to the whirlwind to be reaped.

This is designed to push people out, and get people in this position to decline the high cost insurance, and pay the minimal fine for not having it.

Then when the system goes bankrupt without that influx of money that people DON'T have available to spend...

When employers dump health insurance benefits from health insurance providers, because it gets too expensive to support within the company's budget and ability to earn revenue...

When the insurance companies see increased government-mandated costs, and decreased enrollments from the above circumstances of private citizens and employee pools declining coverage that they can no longer afford, and the insurers are squeezed out of existence...

When the doctors leave their practices because the costs of processing and reporting to the government is higher than their operating budgets can allow, and patients can't afford to go to the doctor's office without insurance, either...

The Obamacare system will collapse. It is designed to. There is no other logical outcome from the conditions that ACA set in place. The first dominos are starting to fall now.

When the system collapses, mark my words, the proponents of Obamacare/ACA will say that it wasn't well thought out, and there were unintended consequences, and economic head-winds, and those vile opponents to Obamacare that just wanted it to fail...

And they'll say that it wasn't far enough, and more government is required to push harder to solve the healthcare problem.

Their solution will be Single-Payer Healthcare. Also Known As: Socialized Medicine.

That is the worse storm, and when the goverment will finally take total control on blackmailing every aspect of your life, in order to control it.

Nibbles > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/03/2013 at 12:24

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If it comes to that, I'm buying an island. And building a racetrack. You're all invited.

For Sweden > Nibbles 10/03/2013 at 12:28

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The most basic "you're lucky we don't just shoot you" plan I can buy on the exchange is double what I currently pay for very good coverage. It's half-again as expensive as the gold-plated PPO my employer offers that I'm pretty sure comes with complimentary valet, wax, and detailing when I visit the clinic.

rabbitman > Nibbles 10/03/2013 at 12:30

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So, I just talked to a co worker about this and makes me think since you are probably in a different state, she told me she can get what she has for about 150 month if she worked some where else and made the same amount of money.

Now my state already had some state offered insurances MNcare, is this because we have always had something like this here and your state doesn't. 150 doesnt sound to steep for me.

Nibbles > rabbitman 10/03/2013 at 12:34

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Definitely different state. Catastrophic only for me and the wife (both young, healthy, nonsmokers) is 300.

Nibbles > ncasolowork2 10/03/2013 at 12:35

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None taken.

rabbitman > Nibbles 10/03/2013 at 12:54

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Ahh that is about 50 more then I currently pay through my job but if your not used to that cost it sucks. We used to carry separate medical and that only cost me 60 a month she had a job change with crappy medical, so I tossed her on mine.My mother used to pay 1700 a month for her her husband and 2 kids, kids make it really really expensive and she works for the same employer I do. She is so glad all the kids are grown.

Mattbob > Nibbles 10/03/2013 at 13:10

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I will remember this offer. Much appreciated!

Chteelers > Mattbob 10/03/2013 at 13:45

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I WANT single payer healthcare. So Godspeed. Canada and Australia are hardly tearing themselves apart with single payer systems.

Mattbob > Chteelers 10/03/2013 at 13:56

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but why do you want it? It sounds like it isn't any cheaper.

Chteelers > Mattbob 10/03/2013 at 14:32

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Except that it is. 3rd paragraph cites CBO reports.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-pa…